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Two genres, side by side. The ratings are editorial judgements on a ten-point scale, not measurements. Where they come out level, the difference is in the prose underneath them.

First genre

Bay Area thrash1983

Second genre

Crossover thrash1984

Head to headBay Area thrash vs Crossover thrash
Bay Area thrash: heaviness 8, melody 7, speed 9. Crossover thrash: heaviness 7, melody 5, speed 9.Heaviness8 / 7Melody7 / 5Speed9 / 9
Each corner is a ten-point rating. The further out, the higher.

The difference, by ear

Crossover came from the same clubs and the same bills, and kept hardcore's brevity. The tell is song length.

Both are shouted and move at much the same pace, around 180 to 240 bpm. Songs run longer in Bay Area thrash: usually 4 to 7 minutes, against 1 to 2½ minutes in crossover thrash. To hear the difference, play Metallica next to D.R.I. Bay Area thrash comes from the metal side of the tree and crossover thrash from the rock side, and Bay Area thrash came first, by a year.

Put together from each genre's vocals, tempo, song length, key acts and place in the tree.

In figures

Heaviness
Bay Area thrash8
Crossover thrash7
−1
Speed
Bay Area thrash9
Crossover thrash9
level
Melody
Bay Area thrash7
Crossover thrash5
−2

Bay Area thrash

1983 · San Francisco, USA

Where it sits

Heavy metal › Thrash metal › Bay Area thrash

In short

The original epicentre: technical riffing, clearer production and a little more melody.

How it sounds

  • Technical riffing and elaborate structures with many sectional changes.
  • Clearer production than the German variant, with audible bass.
  • Barked vocals that turn melodic in places, with singalong choruses.

Key acts

  • Metallica
  • Exodus
  • Testament
  • Death Angel

Start here

The pickExodus - Bonded by Blood. Recorded in 1984, released late, and it held up anyway.

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Crossover thrash

1984 · USA

Where it sits

Rock › Punk rock › Hardcore punk › Crossover thrash

In short

The exact point where hardcore and thrash metal merge: metal riffs, skate-park attitude, mandatory circle pit.

How it sounds

  • Thrash metal riffing inside hardcore structures and song lengths.
  • Fast tempos with transitions into syncopated mosh parts.
  • Lyrics that are often satirical or about the scene itself.

Key acts

  • D.R.I.
  • Suicidal Tendencies
  • Municipal Waste
  • S.O.D.

Start here

The pickSuicidal Tendencies - Institutionalized. The best song ever written about parents not listening.

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