The difference, by ear
Post-punk kept the song and no wave did not. They are contemporaneous, share a city and a scene, and differ on whether a chorus is worth having.
Post-punk is sung cleanly where no wave is shouted, and keeps to a narrower band: 110 to 150 bpm against 100 to 200. Songs run longer in post-punk: usually 3 to 6 minutes, against 1½ to 4 minutes in no wave. To hear the difference, play Teenage Jesus and the Jerks next to Joy Division. No wave grew out of post-punk.
In figures
No wave
Where it sits
Rock › Punk rock › Post-punk › No wave
In short
A total refusal of melody and standard tuning. Short-lived, extreme and hugely influential on noise rock.
How it sounds
- Random or modified tunings, with the guitar used as a percussion object.
- A refusal of melody, tonal harmony and repeatable structure.
- Screamed or spoken vocals, dissonant saxophone, primitive drumming.
Key acts
- Teenage Jesus and the Jerks
- DNA
- Swans
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The pickNo New York. Four bands, sixteen tracks, one manifesto.
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Where it sits
In short
Punk asking what comes next: melodic bass up front, dry guitar, space and cold. Possibly the most fertile branch in all of rock.
How it sounds
- The bass carries the melody; the guitar plays short, dry figures with chorus or flanger.
- Dry-toned drums with plenty of space in the mix - you can hear the room.
- Irregular structures, cold dynamics, abstract or political lyrics.
Key acts
- Joy Division
- Wire
- Gang of Four
- Public Image Ltd
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The pickJoy Division - Unknown Pleasures. Martin Hannett's production is half the record.
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